Corona virus

Rice ...Most people I know are in denial of this virus, until it rears it's ugly head and infects someone close to them or themselves. Sad we need to live the way we are but surely their are better times ahead.

There can be better times ahead only - ONLY - if the people who continue to say the virus is a hoax will wake up and shout the truth to the skies.

Lockdowns were instated because of the highly infectious nature of the coronavirus, rather than its mortality rate. But yes, these statistics will fuel the virus deniers’ arguments.

Will anyone ask if the flu and pneumonia deaths were caused by Covid-19?

You are exactly on the money, GlasgowJohn . Because the coronavirus attacks the lungs, pneumonia often follows.

The common flu attacks the lungs, pneumonia often follows. Has done for years minus the ballyhoo.

TB is another infectious disease that attacks the lungs, is in the worlds top 10 killers each year, and will kill around 1.2 million people in 2020. Most those deaths will be in Africa and during the COVID 19 crisis many sufferers of TB are not getting diagnosis and treatment because all hands are on deck for COVID.

Of course, the reason for this is obvious. TB mostly kills Africans riddled with HIV, whereas COVID will also kill rich elites with a bad ticker.

That said, those who dismiss COVID are wrong, it’s the real deal and without lockdown at the minimum worst it would have overwhelmed health services. I just cannot shake the feeling, though, that too many eggs have been thrown into one basket.

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Will anyone ask if the flu and pneumonia deaths were caused by Covid-19?

How can one dispute that covid-19 does not accelerate the symptoms of either the flu or pneumonia or vice versa?

Good point, daniel .

Probably mentioned it before but my mother died of a pulmonary edema brought on by pneumonia. She was 77 years young and apart from the odd cold was a very active and healthy woman.

I suspect most people of similar age who die of Covid 19 have underlying causes. Might explain why I think the world has gone f'ing mad!!

I understand your POV better now, UK Man . Thank you for sharing. I’m so sorry your Mom died so young, and I think I see why you feel the way you do.

My mother died of pneumonia too, she had MS for years before and went at 38 years old back in 1997. No one in my family says the pneumonia killed her, it was the MS. I see it the same with COVID. If someone has had something for years but COVID pushes them over the edge so to speak, the COVID is just a consequence in my eyes.

Almost all patients have underlying health issues when COVID claims them.

Whatever a person’s underlying conditions, no one would choose to catch this virus that pushes people over the line.

Without being slapped in the head with Covid, surely it is better to live with our pre-existing problems than to be hit with Covid-19 and die?

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Whatever a person’s underlying conditions, no one would choose to catch this virus that pushes people over the line.

Without being slapped in the head with Covid, surely it is better to live with our pre-existing problems than to be hit with Covid-19 and die?

That goes without saying....however we do tend to concentrate on the number of deaths from the virus rather than the percentage of those who have 'survived' it.

Today’s NYT reports this:

“Across the United States, at least 200,000 more people have died than usual since March, according to a New York Times analysis of estimates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. This is about 60,000 higher than the number of deaths that have been directly linked to the coronavirus.

As the pandemic has moved south and west from its epicenter in New York City, so have the unusual patterns in deaths from all causes. That suggests that the official death counts may be substantially underestimating the overall effects of the virus, as people die from the virus as well as by other causes linked to the pandemic.

When the coronavirus first took hold in the United States in March, the bulk of deaths above normal levels, or “excess deaths,” were in the Northeast, as New York and New Jersey saw huge surges.

The Northeast still makes up nearly half of all excess deaths in the country, though numbers in the region have drastically declined since the peak in April.

But as the number of hot spots expanded, so has the number of excess deaths across other parts of the country. Many of the recent coronavirus cases and deaths in the South and the West may have been driven largely by reopenings and relaxed social distancing restrictions.

Counting deaths takes time and many states are weeks or months behind in reporting. The estimates from the C.D.C. are adjusted based on how mortality data has lagged in previous years. Even with this adjustment, it’s possible there could be an underestimate of the complete death toll if increased mortality is causing states to lag more than they have in the past or if states have changed their reporting systems.

But comparing recent totals of deaths from all causes can provide a more complete picture of the pandemic’s impact than tracking only deaths of people with confirmed diagnoses.“

https://www.nytimes.com/intera…erringSource=articleShare

The video definitely has a slant, but it is probably largely true.