Argentina elections 2019

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    I was in and out of the school in Munro, Vicente Lopez in less than ten minutes, mainly because it was a table for foreigners only and there weren't many of us.

    I enjoyed the bike ride more than the voting, even though it was a pretty straightforward and painless experience.

    First time for me too and I noticed that the room only contained the candidate papers of the people we were legally allowed to vote for, i.e local candidates rather than national.

    On the other hand, when I accompanied Adri to the Lincoln School, the process took over 45 minutes because the scrutineer system is a little grinding shall we say and some people took forever in the booth. I was wondering what they were doing in there to be honest.

    I was also struck by the presence of an army soldier sporting camo and a huge rifle, not mention plenty of armed police all over the place. But then, this is South America.


    The polling booth at the school in Munro. I don't know the name of the school as most schools simply have a number.



    Some titbits about the voting system:

    Each table has a president and two assistants. Presidente de la mesa, no less. How the Argentines love their titles! If any of them fail to turn up at 0800, the first voter in line is dragged over to perform the duties and a chance to be president for a day.

    If none of them turn up due to death or other circumstances, the same applies, which is why not many people turn up at 0800.

    The army is in charge of security and escort all the polling staff from beginning to end, so watch out!

    Im glad that serafina and UK Man can support me in this, because otherwise you really wouldn't believe it I think!!!!

    The swedes use to come to Denmark to booze, so they were quite not well seen in Denmark earlier back in the years.....

    In Sweden the alcohol shops was called "systembolagen"


    The lust and need to booze for sure has something to do with the total dark nights in winter and endless days in summer......but in top, the Finnish people have lot Russian blood and are quite crazy people..........they can sit in a pub a whole day to booze without speaking one word!!!!


    I have been spending a lot time in Finland over long period of time, mainly Helsinki, Turku and Lappland.......I must say it's one of the places in the world I have felt the best and most pleasant.......nothing beat the summer feeling and partying in Helsinki during a good summer.......

    On top of that the Finnish are so introvert, that it makes time with them very interesting, because they never puts all the cards on the table first minute of a talk. On top of that, the educational and well behaved manners is something that always surprises me when I visit, even as a Dane.


    And if you meet a Finn, you are sure you can have a great time and have a few beers, without being forced to get personal to quick.

    @serafina.....we don't speak, we telepathy and drink hahahaha....:-)


    Yes, Finnish language is basically impossible to learn.....nothing to do with Scandinavian or Germanic language.....I once did 7 week language school in Helsinki....I gave up..... hahahahaha.....I managed the basic stuff, names and short sentences.....but forget about learning to build sentences or understand writing.....


    But if you visit Finland (main capitals) you will see that they speak fluent English, very refined.....


    The suspense in their stonefaces and silence makes any joke make you laugh for hours ......

    I remember this old story from an older Finnish friend of mine, now passed away......: In his cottage in akaslompolo in Lapland in the winter is meters of snow, and you need a slede just to walk to support you and carry your stuff. Once this friend, Hannu, had been in the small supermarket there to shop, and brought his slede.......when he then went home, drunk probably, he forgot the slede.....next day he came back and someone had stolen it.......

    He ranted to me, just like I would have done too....."nowadays even here they steal Blablabla".....we laughed and just ended not caring at all over that anymore.

    Next summer he called me one day and told he needed to speak to me, very serious..... Blablabla.....long story , I'm already laughing over all Blablabla He has to say.....at the end, it turned out he had put the slede on the other side of supermarket, hanging from roof, but forgot it, and the day after it was covered totally in deep snow........when the snow then melted 6 months later he saw the slede hanging there and remembered he had put it on the other side.......so it wasnt some black skinned immigrant that had stolen it or whatever hahahaha......man I laughed so hard...... the way how a Finn can tell a looong story, dry and without emotion, to end up up crying of laughter....

    :D:D:D:D

    Just heard by AMERICA, that the numbers preliminary will not come before 22........don't know if it's true.....by C5N u already have them hahaha


    Luis Novaresio said in same short notice, that many of the frente de tontos barrios had arrived as first and therefore they would need to wait till they have 10% of votes minimum....

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    With a staggering 47%, Frente para todo's candidate Fernandez has won the PASO.

    Sitting President Macri stopped at just 32%. I am feeling uneasy in being in a country where just a minority of people share my values on society. Is this the next South Africa?

    I always say Argentina is a country with around 50% bobos........but it's not true.....the real amount is around 70%, (calculating in the non voting)..... I true follow your concern, trust me!!!

    (And let's not forget, inside the 32% pro votes can also be some bobos.....so maybe the total is 80%) =O

    Im exited to see tomorrow what explication you come up with for the dramatic peso drop and stock market drop, anticipating a peronist government to come! Please explain me someone, how that can be good????

    The markets, and the rest of the world, which is maybe 95%, judge the economy.....how can you really truly believe that this is a good sign?

    I'm speechless!!!

    Anyway tomorrow we are gonna hear the explanations....and the bobos are gonna buy it! Scaaaryyyyyy

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    I don't really understand why the paso is necessary, so does this mean the presidency is sewn up? Or could thing change still?

    It is not necessary. It is just to get a feel of what is going to happen on the actual election in October. PASO is a waste of money, like most things the kirchneristas implemented, it is just an element to keep the money going somewhere (and maybe drain a little of it while it moves from hand to hand).

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    Maybe I was in denial when I disagreed with Adri before the Paso. She was convinced that last night's result was on its way and she was right.

    15% defeat for Macri and 17% for Vidal, who suffered collaterally.

    The facts speak for themselves:

    55% inflation

    A massive debt of $57 billion to the IMF

    Poverty and unemployment on the increase

    Manufacturing and GDP down - in other words, an economy in a much worse state that when they came to power in 2015.

    People voted with their pockets in the end and Macri dragged Vidal and the rest of the party across the country, down with him.

    How he's going to turn a 15% loss around is anyone's guess, but they'd better start right now.

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    Deep down I hope he will FINALLY make some drastic choices in the last months of his presidency.


    According to my husband, Macri alienated his voters with some populist measures like raising social checks in the attempt to win over electors from the other side, urbanizing the villas, making plans for a bridge to connect Villa 31 to Recoleta, etc. Too bad he did not win any new voters, and lost his voters meanwhile!


    He didn't provide any tangible result to his electorate. My husband put it very mildly: "what has been in for us? that we can pay with credit cards because there is no blue dollar and that we can receive mail from abroad?"


    While I think it is quite a simplistic reasoning, I doubt the average voters cast their vote based on higher moral and social principles, rather on 'what's in for me? was I doing better before or now?'... as simply as it is.

    Exactly. I think Macri may regret not just being stronger in the first two years of his presidency. He seemed to be caught between pushing real change and trying to please CFK voters. It always looked like he was working with a self imposed hand tied behind his back. He was never going to win those voters so he may as well as gone all in on more drastic changes.


    I have seen a lot of changes through his presidency, most of which I view as positive. However, I accept I am not living in a villa, where people probably don't see any of those changes and certainly get little positivity from them. For example, I see the city transforming in terms of infrastructure, whether it's new roads, train stations, or whatever. I doubt people struggling to pay for food really care about that stuff. I said on the other forum that people in the villa have to choose between seeing the effects of changes that may be decades away or taking the Futbol para Todos and reduced utility bills now. It's a tough choice when you have no money and/or are ignorant (harsh but true). Crisitna is essentially undergoing social bribery to win votes.


    The cycle will never be broken here because to bring real change will take a decade or more and Argentine's simply never want to wait.

    serafina I agree with u and hubby.......

    What was really in it for the people that backed him because they believed in civilization and moving forward......NOTHING!!!!

    Even the expats and tourist have been on the losing side!!!!


    He decided to move slow and soft, not to get helicoptered away.....

    Was a wrong decission!!!

    I was so happy when he won 2015, the hope for that the country would be more "normal".......no more piquetes, the queen and co behind bars, no more dollar clamps, (was fake during mm also!!!) And and and......

    Nothing of this happened!


    Yesterday watching all the speaches, scary btw......carrio more drunk than drunk, Maximo creepy as usual, kichelhoff scary as usual........I was hoping for Macri to just hand over the baton.....does not make sense to waste another 3 months!!!! The people have decided, let them have what they want!!!!