I’d be interested in seeing the data that he quotes.
Posts from Rice in thread „Police brutality“
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Marauding is not a crime I’ve ever heard of in the US.
What SHOULD be a crime is police overreach and bullying.
What IS a crime is police brutality, and, thanks to video evidence, these 5 will go to prison for a long, long time.
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There is, indeed, always another side. At least one. We need to be careful about considering the agenda of our chosen sources before unwittingly allowing ourselves to be used to spread biases we don’t necessarily share.
Were this the 1930’s, would we let ourselves be used to spread propaganda coming from fascists or nazis? Has history taught us to be reluctant to be used for lesser propaganda on the internet today? Democracy is in crisis, around the world, and requires our vigilance.
Were I leading the BLM movement, I would surely wish for a martyred nun to be the face on the poster. But I would also doggedly stick to the point that this man, arrested for passing along a $20 bill (incidentally, not a capital offense), should not have been executed for that crime by a policeman sworn to uphold the law, not to appoint himself judge, jury and executioner.
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I don’t think this hatemonger has a fair point about George Floyd’s criminal background: the major point here is that police simply aren’t allowed to murder apprehended suspects.
Giving him airspace and, frankly, increasing his internet presence serves only to deepen the divide being experienced around the world. Since this Australian has such an interest in telling the US what to do, and he purports to be
supporting the police against those who disregard law and order, why is he silently supporting the US Capitol insurrectionists who brutally beat policemen in their drive to upend the government of the United States?
And, as a minor point, with all the ‘cognitive decline’ examples he had to choose from during the former president’s disinfectant-injecting rants (remember ‘cofeve?’), he seriously chooses a fragment of the current president’s sentence, to try to claim dementia?
Criticisms of the mainstream media are laughable if we actually choose to give credence to imitation “journalists” like this Murdoch wannabe.
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This is the account in the NYT today:
The officer [who used pepper spray], Joe Gutierrez, was terminated for his role in the Dec. 5 encounter involving Caron Nazario, a second lieutenant in the U.S. Army Medical Corps....
Lieutenant Nazario was driving to Petersburg, Va., from a drill weekend the night of Dec. 5 when he saw police lights flashing behind him.
According to the lawsuit and video footage of the encounter, Lieutenant Nazario, who is Black and Latino, drove about a mile to a gas station because he had been nervous about stopping on a darkened road.
“Get out of the car,” one officer can be heard yelling as Lieutenant Nazario, remaining seated, repeatedly asks why he has been stopped and why the officers have drawn their guns. He positions his empty hands outside the window.
“I’m honestly afraid to get out of the car,” Lieutenant Nazario says.
“Yeah,” says Mr. Gutierrez, according to footage from his body camera. “You should be.”
Lieutenant Nazario was wearing his Army uniform at the time.
“I’m serving this country and this is how I’m treated?” he says. “What’s going on?”
“What’s going on is you’re fixing to ride the lightning, son,” Mr. Gutierrez yells.
After he was sprayed, Lieutenant Nazario began crying and cursing.
The police officers did not arrest Lieutenant Nazario and did not file charges.
In a report from that night, the officers said they had pulled over Lieutenant Nazario because his S.U.V. did not have license plates. Lieutenant Nazario said he had recently bought a Chevrolet Tahoe and was waiting for license plates. Temporary ones had been taped inside the rear window and were visible, according to the lawsuit.
(NYT, 14 April 2021)
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Some context from today’s Washington Post: Army officer assaulted during traffic stop at Va. gas station was familiar with police violence: He considered Eric Garner an uncle
“Caron Nazario, a 27-year-old Army officer who was pulled over in uniform and pepper-sprayed in Windsor, Va., mourned Garner, who died after being placed in a chokehold by New York police officers in 2014. As Garner’s family grieved for him, one relative reminded Nazario of a message he’d heard many times before: If a police officer ever confronted him, he needed to stay calm, comply, never make them feel threatened.” -
Actually, the security video clearly showed that he put BOTH hands out of his open window. Even with their guns trained on him at close range, he had the presence to say that he was afraid to get out of the car. He was wearing a seatbelt that he was afraid to unbuckle in case they should shoot him and later claim they thought he was reaching for a gun. Enraged, one of the cops then sprayed him in the face with something that clearly wasn’t benign.
He did everything prudent, and remained as calm as could be imagined in a situation with two policemen, guns drawn in his face, yelling at him.
They should resign in shame. And then they should be prosecuted.
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Good point, Semigoodlooking .
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Your Wild West image, of course.
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Rice, how would i know about militias?am i imagining things or you are implying i have something to do with them? Also , did you have a chance to review the audio and the criminal record of poor old victim i got shot because i'm black, Mr blake?
Not implying that, @Mckenna ; if I thought you were involved with militias or survivalists or white supremacists, I wouldn’t even engage.
The audio you’re referring to is the one from the police POV, on the scanner?
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In the 18th century the militias existed for working with the law to protect the citizens from your lot , Splinter . Hence our 2nd amendment. Now they are associated more with vigilantes and distrust of government (I’m sure @Mckenna can explain far better than I), and generally don’t roam the streets.
Wisconsin is an open-carry state; however, people under 18 cannot legally carry weapons openly in public.
The 17 year old vigilante had conversations with police before and after the shootings. He returned to his home state, and wasn’t arrested until the next day.
At this particular time in history, it seems that anything goes here in the Wild Wild West.
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Not everything Is about race, daniel , but this specific thread is about police brutality, which sometimes is committed less on white people.
The Kenosha, Wisconsin situation is one example.
The United States doesn’t have an exclusive on racism, but it does have more militarized police. If all of this serves to open eyes and minds, and to improve race relations, perhaps our police can become more evenhanded.
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Why is this a race issue????
Perhaps this can give some perspective:
“Murder charges: Wisconsin authorities arrested Kyle Rittenhouse, a 17-year-old white Illinois resident, and charged him with first-degree intentional homicide in the shooting of two protesters on Tuesday. Rittenhouse had often posted on social media in support of the police and considered himself a militia member,” The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported.
Black guy ignores police order to stay away from his car, and is shot in the back 7 times at point-blank range.
White guy travels to the Wisconsin protests, brandishes his AR-16, shoots into the crowd of protesters, killing two people. Police do not shoot him, but arrest him.
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So moral of the story, don't turn around or they'll show you.
I really don't know where you grew up Rice but around many parts of the world, when police tells you to stop, you, well stop and in some cases , or else.
There is a time to argue and a time to do as you are told even if you know that could be unlawful , then and after the fact you contact your lawyer and sort things out.
I am not saying what the police officer is right and at the same time i don't go running trying to crucify him.
Also check yourself a bit, you come off a little condescending. Thanks
Perhaps you didn’t have a chance to read what I wrote, @Mckenna . So I’ll repeat: “Hey, I would have followed orders!”
One of the differences between this forum and some others is that we prefer discussing issues and exchanging points of view, instead of making unnecessarily personal comments like “you come off a little condescending.” Just saying.
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Rice ... You know as well as I what should have happened. If the police gave the order to halt, then I would have advised to follow orders.
Hey, I would have followed orders. But if I hadn’t done so, if anybody but the police had shot me 7 times in the back, they would have been in jail before my ambulance arrived.
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Ok then, when dangerous shoot them in the foot, got it
I was expecting that response, and tried to paint the picture of this guy who did NOT have a gun in his hand, someone not posing an immediate threat - no ‘shoot or be shot’ situation. More like “you can’t turn your back on ME - I’ll show you.”
And he did, didn’t he. In the most lethal way possible.
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You see ,that's the problem, by the officer trying to reach and grab the back of the shirt before he got to his car gives me enough motive to think yo' boy wasn't listening....... as far as whose fault it is, well they way i see it, if you are instructed to do something and you do exactly the opposite then what ever happens is on you , but i suppose that would be to much to ask these days. be responsible for your acts and stand down when asked to , then and only then if there was a wrong doing, you can take that to court.
I guess we won't know now what he was going to do.....
A couple of thoughts:
1. By all accounts, this guy was there to try to break up a domestic fight, not apparently doing something criminal.
2. If he had a gun that was in the glove box, which in the US is on the other side of the car, it wouldn’t be fast & easy to reach from the driver’s side, which he was entering.
3. In the US, shooting a person in the back is not a first resort, but a last (dead last) resort. If they thought this guy was so dangerous, they had plenty of time to taze him - - or if the gun was burning a hole in the policeman’s hand, plenty of time to shoot this man standing right by him, in the foot: guaranteed to stop him.
But I’m just trying to piece this together without the audio from the police bodycam, which as I said, has not been made available in the USA.
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Cute. Reminds me of Bajo’s “Cristina Good, Macri Bad” point of view.
Funny you should bring up the Blame Game, @Mckenna, because the speakers at last night’s republican convention were using the tired old playbook that any good things in the past 3.7 years have been caused by yer man, while all bad things are the fault of Obama.
But whose fault do you think shooting that man seven times in the back was? I think it was the fault of the trigger-happy cowboy who did the shooting. And I think an atmosphere of lenience towards policemen who commit such acts has led them to feel they can get away with them, as they often do, usually against non-whites. Even those Mexicans who are working so hard to pay for that Wall!
Let me guess....... Trump's fault no?
This is what i see, police stops a guy( guy thinks laws don't apply to him because he is black)he start to walk away from the police, when i'm damn certain the police told him plain and simple to stop, but no, black guys decides it's a great idea to disobey a direct order from a police officer who already drew his weapon and proceeds to reach inside the vehicle. unless this guy was deaf , he shows no intention to comply .........let's recap, police orders to stop , not only he doesn't but he goes to reach for whatever in his vehicle instead.
I would love to hear all these experts in security what was the police officer supposed to do?
In the US, we didn’t get get the audio, so we don’t know if the police told him not to get into the car, or if they told him to move along. If you got audio in Argentina, please attach it so I can hear what you heard? I’m at a disadvantage. Thanks.
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Shot 7 times in the back.
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I, too, have no idea why not, Semigoodlooking .
