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Is the UK falling apart?

  • Splinter
  • August 12, 2025 at 12:43 PM

There are 7 replies in this Thread which has previously been viewed 1,797 times. The latest Post (August 14, 2025 at 11:41 PM) was by Rice.

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    • August 12, 2025 at 12:43 PM
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    There seems to be trouble in the UK with protests outside immigrant hotels (50,000 boat people since Starmer took office) and a rising worry that British identity is being eroded.

    Many YouTube videos can be described as way over the top with some even suggesting that civil war is possible, but there's no denying that Islam now plays a massive part part of life in Britain.

    A Brit In Buenos Aires

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    • August 12, 2025 at 12:50 PM
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    They make those YouTube’s only to make advertising money. Probably some faroff foreign enterprise taking advantage of the exaggerated situation. All countries are better off with immigrants. If not they become boring and uncompetitive from lack of new talent.

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    • August 13, 2025 at 9:41 AM
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    Quote from aficionado

    They make those YouTube’s only to make advertising money. Probably some faroff foreign enterprise taking advantage of the exaggerated situation. All countries are better off with immigrants. If not they become boring and uncompetitive from lack of new talent.

    You're right up to a point, but when were you last in the UK?

    The point that most people make is that many immigrants do not integrate into the British community, hence many British towns now resemble those in the Middle East.

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    • August 14, 2025 at 9:42 AM
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    This is what immigrants are getting, if eligible.

    Asylum support
    How to apply for asylum support if you're waiting to find out if you'll be given asylum in the UK
    www.gov.uk

    A Brit In Buenos Aires

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    • August 14, 2025 at 2:52 PM
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    You’ll also get:

    • free prescriptions for medicine
    • free dental care for your teeth
    • free eyesight tests
    • help paying for glasses


    I think I’ll go over and apply for asylum. Although we pay for prescription insurance, nothing is covered until we pay the first $2800 annually; the prescriptions are paid or partially paid by the insurance.

    Seriously, the UK’s policy is not generous enough to make people live the high life, but it is certainly generous enough to be humane to people who truly need assistance.

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    • August 14, 2025 at 3:21 PM
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    The point that most people make is that many immigrants do not integrate into the British community, hence many British towns now resemble those in the Middle East.

    Even if some neighborhoods have changed, I see it only as a benefit of learning and experiencing a bit of other cultures. For younger residents it is an opportunity to learn before they have had the chance to travel internationally. There are at least 5-6 major distinctive ethnic cultures, not to mention many more smaller groups in what people describe as the Middle East.

    I am not going to state any facts for UK, yet your language is similar to what is heard in US. Some people in the USA make that same hyperbolic statement. Yet it is not true. And it is not most people making that statement, just the few loudest people who’s opinions are not based on real statistics. That similar “do not integrate” generalization is what I have heard from xenophobic people all my life with each wave of immigrants through the 80s until now. Also since mass migration of the 1850s, and no doubt for centuries before all over the world.


    lessons from the Age of Mass Migration suggest that fears immigrants can’t fit into American society are misplaced. It would be a mistake to determine our nation’s immigration policy based on the belief that immigrants will remain foreigners, preserving their old ways of life and keeping themselves at arm’s length from the dominant culture. The evidence is clear that assimilation is real and measurable, that over time immigrant populations come to resemble natives, and that new generations form distinct identities as Americans.

    https://siepr.stanford.edu/news/what-history-tells-us-about-assimilation-immigrants

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    • August 14, 2025 at 6:54 PM
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    I went to a big mall around Milan the other day. I think Italians were less than 50% of the people visiting and shopping. However, they were still the ones with the most shopping bags. At Primark, in a line of 40, we were just 3 Italians. I have to say that international brands like Primark and Adidas tend to employ immigrants or children of immigrants (in Italy, if you are born to foreign parents you are still a foreigner until you are 18 years old, so technically you are not an immigrant yourself, but you are still a foreigner living in Italy).

    Anyway, citizenship aside, from my observation international brands in bigger cities that target immigrants/lower income are definitely conscious of who their clients are. Ads in stores are showing people of all colors. Even at IKEA, one living room setup was advertised as "a corner of the East in your living room". Besides the color palette and texture choice, the picture framed in the display was showing a mother with a veil and her young adult son. Ingvar Kamprad, Ikea's founder and a nazi sympathizer, must be rolling in his grave.

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    • August 14, 2025 at 11:41 PM
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    Fascinating.

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