A group of us Canadians are concerned enough about what is happening in Canada that we would like to establish business/residency options elsewhere. The group includes farmers, construction contractors, a couple engineers, a readymix concrete producer, and that sort of good hard working honest folk. (No mega-bucks wealthy, but hard working people) When supporters of the Canadian truckers convoy from around here had their bank accounts frozen, we got scared. The loss of our freedoms has escalated since then.
From what we hear Javier Milei is taking Argentina in the opposite direction Canada is headed, and again what we hear is that the people of Argentina are welcoming this change in direction. If this is indeed the truth, then these people are our people, and we would love to establish ourselves there.
We are not ignorant of the last hundred years of catastrophic government in Argentina. However, I also know that nations rise and nations fall, and Canada seems to be determined to do the later, and perhaps Argentina has finally realized the futility of self destruction. If so, we are willing to start over in a new land of freedom and opportunity.
So tell me what you think. I imagine some of you are laughing and perhaps we are totally ignorant. However I would appreciate your thoughts and comments. This coming winter we are planning an exploratory trip.
Thank for any and all comments.
Canadians considering Argentina
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Welcome to the forum. I’ve been monitoring Canada’s problems from afar for some time so have some basic understanding of what you’ve become concerned about there.
I’m sure you’ll get some constructive observations tips and advice from the more senior seasoned members here.
Best wishes.
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Thank you Bombonera
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Hi, uncleshred , and welcome to the forum. I will admit complete ignorance about any situation in which the Canadian govt has frozen citizens’ bank accounts, a possibility that gives me cold chills.
Would you mind telling us more about that?
Meanwhile, I’ll be thinking about your question. My immediate reaction is that you’d be taking an enormous gamble to start anew in a country whose economic future is so very uncertain. Of course we all have high hopes for President Milei, but there are decades of corruption and deficits to be overcome, and the Milei govt has only begun to try its new approach to turning things around.
Meanwhile, here an article from Time magazine, about Milei’s plans for Argentina, to supplement all that you’ve already read.
Javier Milei’s Radical Plan to Transform ArgentinaMilei has been on a mission to ‘Make Argentina Great Again’time.com -
I think everyone here on this forum wants to see Milei succeed and this country of massive potential succeed though I speak for nobody but myself..
But there must always be a massive note of caution as to future expectations in Argentina.
Generally the perspective of immigration is welcoming but perhaps more in spirit than in form. There’s hurdles to overcome to get things official.
Personally I find the official Argentine government website surprisingly easy to navigate and understand so don’t hesitate to explore it.
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"I will admit complete ignorance about any situation in which the Canadian govt has frozen citizens’ bank accounts, a possibility that gives me cold chills."
It did happen. It did happen to people I know. If you really want I can find more documentation. Two of the main leaders of the truckers convoy driving the lead truck "Big Red" and pilot truck are essentially neighbors and people we know and have done business with. The trucks were peacefully ushered into Ottawa and parked on the streets the police told them to park on. As the protest was coming to an end and the day before there was going to be a peaceful and orderly dispersal, the government ordered the trucks to be blocked in place so that they could not leave. Then the next day with "Emergency Measures" in place the government of Canada froze many of the bank accounts of the truckers and those that had made financial donations to the convoy. The police then converged en-mass on those trapped, beat them, arrested them, inprisoned many, and broke into and impounded their trucks.
Since the truckers freedom convoy, many of the actions of the police and government have been ruled unconstitutional, so rather than acknowledge wrong doing, the Trudeau government has set about to change laws to take away any freedoms we have left.
This forum is on Argentina, not Canada, so I will leave it there. Suffice it to say that I have lived long enough to see great countries become hell-holes and I want to at least have a place to which I can flee before I become a penniless prisoner in a Canadian version of Venezuela.Rice. - Thank you for the link to the article. I want as much information as we can get.
It may be too early to know if Argentina is the place for us to go, but it takes time to do something orderly. It would likely be a year before investments are made, so we need to start early. -
I think everyone here on this forum wants to see Milei succeed and this country of massive potential succeed though I speak for nobody but myself..
But there must always be a massive note of caution as to future expectations in Argentina.
I'd agree with that.
It's impossible to predict what's going to happen here in the coming years.
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It's impossible to predict what will happen next week.
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Come here of course for your due dilligence. But don’t be fooled by the European feel and vibe. This country has all the worst attributes of Latin America. And all the best attributes too.
It’s complicated but that’s all part of
the allure if you have an enquiring mind
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It's impossible to predict what will happen next week.
Beer offers is a certainty.
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Be careful what you wish for. Relocating to Argentina is not for the faint-hearted.
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Be careful what you wish for. Relocating to Argentina is not for the faint-hearted.
Indeed. It's unclear if the group are planning on finding employment here or coming to retire.
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I wouldn't recommend coming to Argentina if you want to work in the Industry locally.
Okay if you have small ambitions where you just want live in the nature and enjoy life (open a B&B in a nice location, provided you have a pension from abroad so that you don't have to care too much about local economy's ups and downs) or work 90% remotely for abroad.
Some people are not honest, some governments are plain dishonest. Unfortunately, this country harbors both in great number. I would look for Uruguay if I were you, but it is a much smaller economy and with less climate/scenery variety.
Also, you mentioned truck drivers... Google Hugo Moyano.
This is a country where union leaders are millionaires. It sounds a little dirty just to write it.
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Thank you for your thoughts serafina. You mention Uruguay as a better option than Argentina if we are actually wanting to do business. I would love to hear your thoughts on what the upsides of Uruguay are.
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Uruguay , less corruption , more stability , low inflation.
Argentina , harder to start new businesses legally. May change with Milei.
Construction , very hard for foreigners to get in as unions control most aspects.
Solar energy, this should be huge here but it's not . I suspect energy companies are paying backhanders to make it difficult.
Ready-mix concrete controlled by the unions and a cartel of entrepreneurs - very difficult to enter right now
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Uruguay , less corruption , more stability , low inflation.
Argentina , harder to start new businesses legally. May change with Milei.
Construction , very hard for foreigners to get in as unions control most aspects.
Solar energy, this should be huge here but it's not . I suspect energy companies are paying backhanders to make it difficult.
Ready-mix concrete controlled by the unions and a cartel of entrepreneurs - very difficult to enter right now
Says it all.
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It’s all been said before. Most forum members have a specific spousal reason to live here. I’m an odd outlier from that but I do not live here permanently either.
If your first love isn’t a spouse then it has to be for the country. Because there’s much to risk and give up if you don’t love living here.
I guess what I say sounds a bit trite. But I’ve been coming here for 34 years or so .
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It’s all been said before. Most forum members have a specific spousal reason to live here. I’m an odd outlier from that but I do not live here permanently either.
If your first love isn’t a spouse then it has to be for the country. Because there’s much to risk and give up if you don’t love living here.
I guess what I say sounds a bit trite. But I’ve been coming here for 34 years or so .
Must admit as much as I like Argentina. If it wasn't for my missus I couldn't live here permanently.
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You can’t get irn bru here or Buckfast. And GlasgowJohn has the brown sauce under heavy security. You have to wonder if it’s all worth it.
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You can’t get irn bru here or Buckfast. And GlasgowJohn has the brown sauce under heavy security. You have to wonder if it’s all worth it.
Even the missus curses daily how things work here.
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