Trump convicted in hush money trial.

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  • In a sweeping verdict, the jury found ex-president Trump, guilty on all 34 charges.

    Sparks will now fly and the question is, how does a convicted criminal run for president. Sort of sets a precedent, doesn't it?

    Donald Trump found guilty of hush-money plot to influence 2016 election
    Trump found guilty on all 34 counts of falsifying business records in first criminal trial against a US president
    www.theguardian.com

  • I can only assume that jail isn’t on the cards as a punishment given the focus and tone of the post-conviction reporting and political analysis.

  • This was widely referred to as a Hush Money trial, which downplays its seriousness. It was actually a New York State criminal trial concerned with the crime of falsification of business records in order to interfere with the 2016 presidential election.


    The wheels of justice are painfully slow in the USA, and it seems that those interested in delaying trials, with deep enough pockets for endlessly paying lawyers, can postpone the inevitable until the inevitable becomes essentially irrelevant. This case dealt with crimes committed 8 years ago. The now-convicted ex-president, with the help of allies on the Supreme Court, has used the preposterous idea that he should have lifetime immunity from prosecution for any criminal actions whatsoever (including “shooting someone on Fifth Avenue,” his now-famous expression) to delay a Supreme Court decision on the immunity question beyond the date of the November election. So his “January 6 trial” for election interference will be postponed until after the election, denying voters access to the facts and evidence they should have before voting.


    Similarly, the trump-appointed judge hearing the “documents” case has unilaterally postponed that trial dealing with trump’s stealing top-secret government documents and refusing to return them when he left office, famously concealing them in the ballroom and bathroom of his country club. With this trial also postponed until after the election, voters will be denied access to facts and evidence once again. (Would it make a difference if the evidence revealed that the felonious ex-president had sold the country’s nuclear and defense secrets to Russia?)


    The old adage is that “Justice Delayed is Justice Denied.” Only one of the cases dealing with Trump’s crimes has been allowed to be heard before November’s critical election. How is this serving either Justice or the need for voters to have access to the evidence before making the critical decision in November?

  • The old adage is that “Justice Delayed is Justice Denied.” Only one of the cases dealing with Trump’s crimes has been allowed to be heard before November’s critical election. How is this serving either Justice or the need for voters to have access to the evidence before making the critical decision in November?

    Speaking as an unbiased neutral.

    Should you not be more worried why a large percentage of your fellow Americans will in all likliehood still vote for him?

  • Speaking as an unbiased neutral.

    Should you not be more worried why a large percentage of your fellow Americans will in all likliehood still vote for him?

    Yes, UK Man , it is a very troubling thought that a large percentage of Americans will vote for him anyway. Why do you ask if I should be more worried? Have I said anything to suggest I am not worried?


    I am terrified. Even if he is not re-elected, he has damaged our country in ways that will last for generations. We have never even imagined a president who refused to accept the will of the people and ended our history of the peaceful transfer of power. We have never even imagined an ex-president who attacked our judicial system and the very Rule of Law. In each case, when things didn’t go his way, he cried “Rigged!”


    Will Americans elect a convicted felon and a lifelong cheater and sore loser, to the highest office in the land? I would pose this question of such voters: Would you hire to work for you, as a handyman, a housekeeper, or a janitor in your office, a felon who has been convicted on 34 counts?


    One other thing we have never had in the USA: voters who don’t read newspapers and enthusiastically believe disinformation from dubious media sources and hidden international sources via internet.


    So yes, I am more worried than you can possibly know. You really should be too.

  • Just in time for your evening reading, UK Man .

    The reporter writes that the election will be decided by the voters who are paying the least attention (read: those who vote without educating themselves on the candidates’ positions on critical issues).


    “The gap between the informed and the disengaged is a chasm, and it’s widening.



    https://wapo.st/3X7onQv