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University protests in Argentina

  • Rice
  • April 27, 2024 at 10:32 AM

There are 26 replies in this Thread which has previously been viewed 1,715 times. The latest Post (March 12, 2026 at 12:41 PM) was by Splinter.

  • Rice
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    • April 27, 2024 at 10:32 AM
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    How can public universities stay open, with an effective 80% budget cut?

    Huge protest in Argentina against education cuts - BBC News
    Thousands took to the streets in Buenos Aires calling on President Javier Milei to preserve university funding.
    www.bbc.com
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    • April 27, 2024 at 10:58 AM
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    This is effectively what's being said here in this thread

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    Massive austerity protest against Milei

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/ame…s-b2533722.html

    What is happening here? I guess they don't like him anymore, and he's only months into the job
    SpaceNut
    April 24, 2024 at 12:23 PM

    80% cuts is horrifically morally wrong

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    • April 27, 2024 at 11:02 AM
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    One of the big problems in the public University system is the number of people who are gettng salaries every month and have never worked a day in any of the Universities.

    And whe they refuse to be audited , you really have to wonder why.

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    • April 27, 2024 at 11:21 AM
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    One of the big problems in the public University system is the number of people who are gettng salaries every month and have never worked a day in any of the Universities.

    And whe they refuse to be audited , you really have to wonder why.

    I do not believe this, or it is greatly exaggerated. For the professors it is obviously not a 9-5 job, instead it is N number of classes per week plus a few mandatory office hours. For administrative positions I imagine there is some flexibility as modern internet connection 24 hours per day enables some work to happen without being chained to the desk.

    Yes I know that the Not Audited topic has been tossed into the public news in the past weeks. It is a valid point, though sounds to me as a new negotiation tactic and something tossed to the wolves on social media. I imagine the Universities have their autonomy set at some level, either as a group and/or individually. The idea of Presidential appointed bureaucrats micromanaging independent bodies is worse than the inefficient bureaucrats, which might exist, inside the university system.

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    • April 27, 2024 at 11:57 AM
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    Quote from aficionado

    I do not believe this, or it is greatly exaggerated. For the professors it is obviously not a 9-5 job, instead it is N number of classes per week plus a few mandatory office hours. For administrative positions I imagine there is some flexibility as modern internet connection 24 hours per day enables some work to happen without being chained to the desk.

    Nothing surprises me here.

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    • April 27, 2024 at 12:34 PM
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    Quote from aficionado

    I do not believe this, or it is greatly exaggerated. For the professors it is obviously not a 9-5 job, instead it is N number of classes per week plus a few mandatory office hours. For administrative positions I imagine there is some flexibility as modern internet connection 24 hours per day enables some work to happen without being chained to the desk.

    Yes I know that the Not Audited topic has been tossed into the public news in the past weeks. It is a valid point, though sounds to me as a new negotiation tactic and something tossed to the wolves on social media. I imagine the Universities have their autonomy set at some level, either as a group and/or individually. The idea of Presidential appointed bureaucrats micromanaging independent bodies is worse than the inefficient bureaucrats, which might exist, inside the university system.

    If you think it is greatly exaggerated , you do not understand how the Kakas worked to get cash to their team of people

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    • April 27, 2024 at 1:04 PM
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    If you think it is greatly exaggerated , you do not understand how the Kakas worked to get cash to their team of people

    Yes and that's only the tip of the iceberg.

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    • April 27, 2024 at 3:30 PM
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    One of the big problems in the public University system is the number of people who are gettng salaries every month and have never worked a day in any of the Universities.

    I know this is the exact rhetoric used discussing many government funded organizations. I believe the K’s La Cámpora funnel their people into jobs that they do not deserve or are unneeded at Aerolíneas Airlines and others. Those are easier to grow low-skill young workers, some who eventually become entrenched in unneeded management positions. All they need to do is show allegiance to the party. Same for the corrupt political party system that doles out city/town/municipal jobs only to their constituents.

    The University system is more essential to the future of the country, and also not at that level of corruption. Yes, there is definitely a lopsided number of educators and other workers who blindly follow the K side. Though it is not for unearned jobs. The jobs are competitive and awarded through open committee meeting after publication of each available position.

    The University is required to educate the future STEM, agriculture, business, and yeah culture and arts students who are all the ones needed to become the innovators when/if real investment ever arrives to this country. Public educators at primary, secondary and university level are underpaid everywhere in the world and still always under attack because it is difficult for some people to believe in long term investments.

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    • April 28, 2024 at 9:24 AM
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    We have a friend who attends a public university for the arts (USA - Universidad de las artes) and she reported that even her classmates are outcasting other students who don’t sing the K praises.

    They tell her she can’t / doesn’t deserve to be there and won’t work on assignments with her. I wouldn’t be surprised if also the professors knew who is with them politically and play tricks against her.

    We had some fierce political discussions with my classmates in Italy due to differences, but none went as far as effectively drive out a classmate because of divergent political opinions. Those were just discussions among young 20-something trying to figure out the world during lunch breaks. We were there to learn engineering and not to indoctrinate or join a political party.

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    • April 28, 2024 at 11:05 AM
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    Politics, religion and sport.

    Three topics/opinions that will divide any scenario, from a dinner table to a university campus. But to use it as such at a seat of learning has been going on for decades and much more so here by the Peronchos and KaKas.

    A Brit In Buenos Aires

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    • April 28, 2024 at 11:12 AM
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    Image


    Need I say more?

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    • April 28, 2024 at 11:39 AM
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    I listened to the K bitch yesterday who obviously pointed out the inflation rate to her adoring audience of crawlers. My missus lost the plot while I just shook my head thinking I hope to God this country desn't go back to believing the shit she talks. To be honest I wouldn't be at all surprised if it dd.

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    • April 28, 2024 at 11:41 AM
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    Quote from SpaceNut

    Image


    Need I say more?

    Yes, you do, because perspective and context are everything.

    That image implies that President Milei is responsible for the high inflation which couldn't be further from the truth.

    When he came into power on December 10th last year, inflation was around 25% PER MONTH.

    It has now come down significantly to around 12% per month.

    Anyway, that Pamphlet X poster is simply a doom mongering, click bait monster who is best ignored.

    A Brit In Buenos Aires

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    • March 11, 2026 at 10:23 AM
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    No strike going on; the trash everywhere was from paper leaflets that countless businesses paid people to had out on the streets. Reading the post by GlasgowJohn , it sounds as if Uruguay may have become more environmentally conscious in the ensuing years. That would be a real improvement!

    I imagine you're right and have stopped allowing that nonsense. It was the same here last week when the final year students went back to school. They gather in the centre of town for a carry on before marching to the school leaving all their rubbish behind for others to clean up.

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    • March 11, 2026 at 1:41 PM
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    On my way to the university, I get off at the UBA school of medicine. Plaza Housseini hosts the celebration whenever someone graduates. Sometimes there are bands (all dressed up, just like in Indian weddings), sometimes fires, explosions, lots of confetti and foam, eggs, flour.
    The city had just completed a major do over of the square, with radical gardening works so that it is nice and green, for kids and pets. However, during graduation season, the city had to barricade the whole square as the plants were being destroyed by the celebrating students. There were even signs that said that their right to celebrate is not a right to destroy public property.

    Honestly, I am not very fond of the character of UBA graduates shown in those celebrations.
    The first time I saw that, I almost had a stroke as I was on the bus minding my own business. As we approached the plaza stuck in traffic, I smelled gun powder and started being alert. Then I heard shots. I was about to p*** in my pants, then I saw it was the students celebrating. F*** off!


    When I graduated, we were instructed to not do any of that stuff in the front of the university. Regardless, one classmate’s family threw foam and confetti at her. The security guard came immediately to stop them. They kept going. The cleaning lady quickly came to clean up the mess, the family just moved to the curbside and kept going. Luckily, they quickly run out of supplies.

    I was mortified. So tacky and disrespectful.
    (We have a definition here)

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    • March 11, 2026 at 2:23 PM
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    Last month my sister in law's son passed his engineering degree and his family pelted him with eggs, flour and alcohol.

    I said it was a waste as they could have made a nice cake out of it.

    A Brit In Buenos Aires

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    • March 11, 2026 at 4:44 PM
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    In this one you can spot the murga band on the back.

    SOY MÉDICA 👩🏻‍⚕️🎓 [Parte 1] 10.05.2024, que día!! 🥳🥰♥️🎓🍾 Pensé un  millón de veces en cómo sería ese día y todavía no puedo expresar lo  perfecto que fue. Parece un sueño, no


    As a tradition, they soak their hands in paint and stick them onto the university wall


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    • March 11, 2026 at 8:29 PM
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    While I’m glad they are celebrating and happy, their form of celebration continues the destruction of the buildings and the slum atmosphere around the medical school. It’s a disgrace, and certainly doesn’t build confidence in the cleanliness or good judgement of their doctors.

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    • March 11, 2026 at 10:16 PM
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    While I’m glad they are celebrating and happy, their form of celebration continues the destruction of the buildings and the slum atmosphere around the medical school.

    During the summer recess, there is at least a week of cleaning works using pressurized water to try remove the dirty from the building walls. The one show in the picture above is that of the Medicine School. The same building, but from the side entrance, hosts other Medicine-related schools (I think Pharmacy, Biology, etc.). Across Plaza Housseini, there is the Business (Economics) School. However, I don't recall their celebration being so wild. It may help that their school is onto Av. Córdoba and they would be soon be run over by cars and trucks if they over spilled onto the avenue, whereas Medicine is on a smaller street that provides quick access to the green square.

    In mid-late November, a lot of students graduated and the celebrations were daily. On some days, it took the bus 8' to run two blocks because the students took over the streets surrounding the Medicine School celebrating.

    In Italy, at my university the standard celebration was flowers and obscene chants from classmates, a tradition that run into the goliardery of my very ancient university. The most famous chant was "Doctor! Doctor of the ass hole, fuck you! Fuck you!" . It doesn't translate well in English. It is meant to embarrass and acknowledge publicly that someone has graduated (in Italy, anyone with a university degree holds the title of "Doctor"), as sometimes lower classes directed their anger (envy) to graduated professionals. This is something that stemmed from Universities in the Middle Age, so it may explain it.

    The same hymn performed by my university's choir and Glasgow University's.


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    • March 11, 2026 at 11:04 PM
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    I am confused. If they are celebrating why is this discussion in a thread titled "Protests"

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