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Henry Kissinger has died

  • SpaceNut
  • November 30, 2023 at 8:09 AM

There are 12 replies in this Thread which has previously been viewed 1,715 times. The latest Post (November 30, 2023 at 4:48 PM) was by Splinter.

  • SpaceNut
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    • November 30, 2023 at 8:09 AM
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    Aged 100. Is it true that he won't be missed in Argentina?

    I heard he caused a lot of deaths there

    Henry Kissinger: Divisive diplomat who shaped world affairs
    President Nixon's foreign affairs guru declared power to be the "ultimate aphrodisiac".
    www.bbc.co.uk
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    • November 30, 2023 at 8:24 AM
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    A friend of Videla, the de facto president and dictator, he even attended the World Cup in 1978 (as a private citizen) and had a closed meeting with Videla behind the then US ambassador's back.

    And let's not forget the carpet bombing of Cambodia and Laos, bringing rise to the Khmer Rouge.

    I won't miss him.

    Kissinger hindered US effort to end mass killings in Argentina, according to files
    Newly declassified files show the former secretary of state jeopardized efforts to crackdown on bloodshed by Argentina’s 1976-83 military dictatorship
    www.theguardian.com

    A Brit In Buenos Aires

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    • November 30, 2023 at 9:10 AM
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    Sadly he will be judged by history and not by an international court of justice

    And history depends on who writes it.....

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    • November 30, 2023 at 9:22 AM
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    He was loathed by most of my anti Vietnam War generation. I didn’t know about his relationship with Videla and am very disturbed by the information in this article from The Guardian.

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    • November 30, 2023 at 9:48 AM
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    The day Videla and Kissinger entered the Peruvian team's changing room in the 1978 World Cup, which of course Videla used as a means of humanising the dictatorship while at the very same time, murdering and torturing at ESMA not five minutes down the road.

    And Kissinger knew nothing of this?

    La historia de la noche en que Jorge Rafael Videla y Henry Kissinger entraron al vestuario de Perú antes del polémico 6 a 0 | TN

    Open in Chrome, right click then hit translate.

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    • November 30, 2023 at 9:52 AM
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    I recall a Scottish friend who always said , 'That Bavarian bastard is worse than Hitler.'

    I didnt realise at the time that HK was born in Germany.

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    • November 30, 2023 at 9:56 AM
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    He was more well known than some of the Presidents. I didn't realise he attracted so much bad publicity until I saw it on the BBC news last night.

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    • November 30, 2023 at 10:06 AM
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    I didn’t realise how bad he was until I read some comments on X, I thought it incorrect

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    • November 30, 2023 at 10:07 AM
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    Kissinger took a similar line as he had toward Chile when the Argentine Armed Forces, led by Jorge Videla, toppled the elected government of Isabel Perón in 1976 with a process called the National Reorganization Process by the military, with which they consolidated power, launching brutal reprisals and "disappearances" against political opponents. An October 1987 investigative report in The Nation broke the story of how, in a June 1976 meeting in the Hotel Carrera in Santiago, Kissinger gave the military junta in neighboring Argentina the "green light" for their own clandestine repression against leftwing guerrillas and other dissidents, thousands of whom were kept in more than 400 secret concentration camps before they were executed. During a meeting with Argentine foreign minister César Augusto Guzzetti, Kissinger assured him that the United States was an ally but urged him to "get back to normal procedures" quickly before the U.S. Congress reconvened and had a chance to consider sanctions.[155][156][157][158]

    As the article published in The Nation noted, as the state-sponsored terror mounted, conservative Republican U.S. Ambassador to Buenos Aires Robert C. Hill "'was shaken, he became very disturbed, by the case of the son of a thirty-year embassy employee, a student who was arrested, never to be seen again,' recalled Juan de Onis, former reporter for The New York Times. 'Hill took a personal interest.' He went to the Interior Minister, a general with whom he had worked on drug cases, saying, 'Hey, what about this? We're interested in this case.' He questioned (Foreign Minister Cesar) Guzzetti and, finally, President Jorge R. Videla himself. 'All he got was stonewalling; he got nowhere.' de Onis said. 'His last year was marked by increasing disillusionment and dismay, and he backed his staff on human rights right to the hilt."[159]

    In a letter to The Nation editor Victor Navasky, protesting publication of the article, Kissinger claimed that: "At any rate, the notion of Hill as a passionate human rights advocate is news to all his former associates." Yet Kissinger aide Harry W. Shlaudeman later disagreed with Kissinger, telling the oral historian William E. Knight of the Association for Diplomatic Studies and Training Foreign Affairs Oral History Project: "It really came to a head when I was Assistant Secretary, or it began to come to a head, in the case of Argentina where the dirty war was in full flower. Bob Hill, who was Ambassador then in Buenos Aires, a very conservative Republican politician—by no means liberal or anything of the kind, began to report quite effectively about what was going on, this slaughter of innocent civilians, supposedly innocent civilians—this vicious war that they were conducting, underground war. He, at one time in fact, sent me a back-channel telegram saying that the Foreign Minister, who had just come for a visit to Washington and had returned to Buenos Aires, had gloated to him that Kissinger had said nothing to him about human rights. I don't know—I wasn't present at the interview."[160]

    Navasky later wrote in his book about being confronted by Kissinger, "'Tell me, Mr. Navasky,' [Kissinger] said in his famous guttural tones, 'how is it that a short article in a obscure journal such as yours about a conversation that was supposed to have taken place years ago about something that did or didn't happen in Argentina resulted in sixty people holding placards denouncing me a few months ago at the airport when I got off the plane in Copenhagen?'"[161]

    According to declassified state department files, Kissinger also hindered the Carter administration's efforts to halt the mass killings by the 1976–1983 military dictatorship by visiting the country and praising the regime.[162]

    A Brit In Buenos Aires

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    • November 30, 2023 at 12:15 PM
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    Another article about Kissinger's close relationship with the dictator, Videla.

    Murió Henry Kissinger: su visita a la Argentina para el Mundial 78 y su apoyo a la dictadura de Videla | TN

    A Brit In Buenos Aires

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    • November 30, 2023 at 12:24 PM
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    Lamentable.

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    • November 30, 2023 at 1:33 PM
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    Quote from SpaceNut

    Aged 100. Is it true that he won't be missed in Argentina?

    Even as late as 2021 details were declassified on his involvement in Argentina

    The Fact That Henry Kissinger Is Still Alive Convinces Me That There Is No God
    New documents suggest the U.S. role in Argentina's 1976 military coup was considerable, shameful, and had a lot to do with Kissinger. But I repeat myself.
    www.esquire.com
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    • November 30, 2023 at 4:48 PM
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    ...and this from Aljazeera

    Henry Kissinger: 10 conflicts, countries that define a blood-stained legacy
    The master of cold realpolitik left a legacy of destruction that is still playing out across the world.
    www.aljazeera.com

    Oh boy, this goes one step further...

    Henry Kissinger Finally Kicked His Bucket of Blood
    The world awoke on Thursday a little bit less poisoned than it was the day before.
    www.esquire.com

    A Brit In Buenos Aires

    Edited once, last by Splinter: Merged a post created by Splinter into this post. (November 30, 2023 at 5:36 PM).

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