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Who will be voted president of Argentina?

  • Splinter
  • August 28, 2023 at 3:34 PM

There are 25 replies in this Thread which has previously been viewed 3,153 times. The latest Post (September 4, 2023 at 5:57 PM) was by Rice.

  • Splinter
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    • August 28, 2023 at 3:34 PM
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    Who will win the general election? 6

    1. Javier Milei (LLA) (2) 33%
    2. Patricia Bullrich (JxC) (2) 33%
    3. Sergio Massa (UxP) (0) 0%
    4. It will go to a second round in November (2) 33%

    Following Milei's shock result in the primaries (Paso), 22 October is looking to be an interesting general election day. We'll be doing an asado with invited guests and hope to catch the results in a relaxed mood.

    But the big question is, who will win? The winner needs 45% and/or a 10% margin over the other candidates. If not, it goes to a second round on 19 November.

    A Brit In Buenos Aires

  • UK Man
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    • August 30, 2023 at 11:03 AM
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    I played safe and went for the second round option.

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    • August 30, 2023 at 1:19 PM
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    I hope the voters in Argentina are more engaged than the voters on the forum, with 3 votes cast in 24 hours. And no one has predicted a Milei win!

  • Bombonera
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    • August 30, 2023 at 2:04 PM
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    I don't know enough to have an opinion but am reading a fair bit to keep myself informed as best I can.

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    • August 30, 2023 at 3:20 PM
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    Quote from Bombonera

    I don't know enough to have an opinion but am reading a fair bit to keep myself informed as best I can.

    You're not the only one and I've been living here for yonks!! ^^

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    • August 30, 2023 at 5:25 PM
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    It seems to me that many people who have been complaining for years that a steep change of policy is what this country needs. However, now that they are facing the actual possibility of a steep change, they are trying to make excuses to why NOT do this or that to change. Obviously, we don't know what the future will bring, but soft changes didn't work (Macri tried) and hard changes are... well, HARD.

    It seems to me that it is yet another of those situations where Argentinians are hiding behind their finger.

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    • August 30, 2023 at 7:26 PM
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    Quote from serafina

    It seems to me that many people who have been complaining for years that a steep change of policy is what this country needs. However, now that they are facing the actual possibility of a steep change, they are trying to make excuses to why NOT do this or that to change. Obviously, we don't know what the future will bring, but soft changes didn't work (Macri tried) and hard changes are... well, HARD.

    It seems to me that it is yet another of those situations where Argentinians are hiding behind their finger.

    Yes the missus went from being anti Milei to pro Milei then back to anti Milei all in the space of a few weeks.

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    • August 30, 2023 at 7:38 PM
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    Quote from UK Man

    Yes the missus went from being anti Milei to pro Milei then back to anti Milei all in the space of a few weeks.

    I see how that can happen! He offers big change, and the country desperately needs big change. This makes me want him to win.

    Then I see his televised interview on TN, and I read articles like the one in The Guardian, and I can’t shake concerns about his mental health and his personal morality.

    So I am pro, then con, then pro, then undecided.

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    • August 30, 2023 at 10:19 PM
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    Quote from Rice

    I see how that can happen! He offers big change, and the country desperately needs big change. This makes me want him to win.

    Then I see his televised interview on TN, and I read articles like the one in The Guardian, and I can’t shake concerns about his mental health and his personal morality.

    So I am pro, then con, then pro, then undecided.

    She thinks as he'll have to do a deal with a certain other candidate to get the job he'll have to toe the line. In other words there's no chance of him doing most of the things he said he'll do.

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    • August 31, 2023 at 12:18 AM
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    Quote from UK Man

    She thinks as he'll have to do a deal with a certain other candidate to get the job he'll have to toe the line. In other words there's no chance of him doing most of the things he said he'll do.

    Thus another Macri administration? A 4-year pause between K administrations, with little in the way of reform?

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    • August 31, 2023 at 8:29 AM
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    Quote from Rice

    Thus another Macri administration? A 4-year pause between K administrations, with little in the way of reform?

    I know sod all about how it all works here so my opinion is't worth much. I just find it confusing when the likes of Massa and shortarse Kicillof are still much to the fore. My missus detests both of them.

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    • August 31, 2023 at 8:44 AM
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    Quote from UK Man

    I know sod all about how it all works here so my opinion is't worth much. I just find it confusing when the likes of Massa and shortarse Kicillof are still much to the fore. My missus detests both of them.

    The poison dwarf and the pancake?

    A Brit In Buenos Aires

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    • August 31, 2023 at 9:25 AM
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    Massa changes sides more often than I do my socks.

    Kiciloff .....an absolute spare - as thick as two short planks.

    Bullrich announces her economic programme today in Cordoba and is expected to confirm Carlos Melconian as her future Economic Chief. Traditional centre-right economist and a decent bloke as well.

    Brilliant comment from him about closing down the Central Bank ( one of Milei's campaign promises) . How many countries are there in the world? 180 ...how many have a central bank ? 180 . If its not working , you don't close it , you reform it and make it work.

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    • August 31, 2023 at 9:34 AM
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    Quote from GlasgowJohn

    Massa changes sides more often than I do my socks.

    Kiciloff .....an absolute spare - as thick as two short planks.

    That's Argentina for you. :rolleyes:

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    • September 2, 2023 at 10:32 AM
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    Argentina's PASO elections: Milei's victory narrower than thought
    Libertarian contender Javier Milei's victory in the Aug. 13 Mandatory, Open, and Simultaneous Primary (PASO) elections in Argentina was not as appalling as it…
    en.mercopress.com
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    • September 2, 2023 at 11:18 AM
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    Quote from Sarran1955

    https://en.mercopress.com/2023/09/01/arg…er-than-thought

    Usual shenanigans. :rolleyes:

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    • September 2, 2023 at 11:59 AM
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    I always find Mercopress writing, or its translation into English, very murky. I guess the point of this article is that the slim lead became slimmer when the votes were scrutinized. But isn’t the real story that Milei, a long shot before las PASO, ended at the top of the heap?

    And could someone please explain how a country with mandatory voting has only 70% participation in the vote? How does that work?

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    • September 2, 2023 at 12:10 PM
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    Quote from Rice

    And could someone please explain how a country with mandatory voting has only 70% participation in the vote? How does that work?

    I imagine old age, folk on holiday,in hospital etc.etc.

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    • September 2, 2023 at 1:34 PM
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    I imagine old age, folk on holiday,in hospital etc.etc.

    The fines for not voting haven't been updated for years and I think still stand at AR$100 or it might be AR$50. I'm not certain that, after the election anybody bothers to collect the fines any more.

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    • September 2, 2023 at 1:42 PM
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    Quote from bebopalula

    The fines for not voting haven't been updated for years and I think still stand at AR$100 or it might be AR$50. I'm not certain that, after the election anybody bothers to collect the fines any more.

    I very much doubt it. Despite there being someone on a fat salary employed to do so. :D

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