The gender question

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    Call me a knuckle-dragging, neanderthal boomer if you like, but there are some statements that I simply cannot get my head around.

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    “I think it is limiting everyone in society by saying there are only two genders – male and female,”

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    “People may feel like they are both, neither or a bit of one or the other. I don’t personally feel completely masculine, even though I mostly see myself as a boy.”

    Generation Z youngsters are much more open to gender identity than say, people of my age, so, good for them. Maybe, as well, they are even more tolerant in general?

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    Gender is typically assigned at birth as either male or female, corresponding with a new-born’s sex organs. But younger generations are increasingly rejecting that rigid binary, in favour of the belief that gender exists on a spectrum of possible identities.

    At birth, I would argue that gender is very definitely a binary, although some new parents don't even accept that fact, even going to the lengths of rejecting that principle and waiting for the youngster to choose his or her's gender as they mature. Wouldn't that be very confusing, allowing them to re-assign their gender in spite of what they are born with down below?

    Or is gender all in the mind?

    How young people are shaking off gender binaries
    Many Gen Zers are increasingly breaking out of the idea that gender means only 'man' or 'woman' – and these attitudes are having an impact.
    www.bbc.com

    Although the multi-faceted gender identity question is too complex for me to have formed many thoughts or opinions, I heartily agree that Gen-Z is more open, more tolerant, across the board: religion, gender, race, politics, et cetera.

    To me, that is reassuring and positive.

    I'm not believing the LGBTQIA+ community in saying that gender is a social construct. When I ask someone who's claims to be trans, that person can't even explain it themselves. They come up with ridiculous amount of links to site, who just waffle on about nonsense that don't even answer my questions to people who I ask to explain it to me

    All of a sudden we have now kids claiming to be non-binary, we've never had this problem before, which is just on a whole new level of confusion. They can't even explain it themselves, if they manage to explain it, it just contradicts the person before they explained it. I don't remember what tweets they said it in, because it is a couple of months ago.

    Nicola Sturgeon is on a whole new level of garbage they come up with. She wouldn't even answer a question of what defines a woman, being a woman herself, you'd thought she would know, right?

    And the aggression towards me, just proves my point to them, they're just making it up. They call me a bigot, ignorant, homophobic, transphobic, and don't enter into any meaning of discussion, not that I need to after being called all of that

    And now we hear about the Tavistock trust members pushing kids towards puberty blockers and cross gender hormones, which in itself is frightening, because children with mental health issues are just going to be as confused as I am. There is also this whistleblower who clearly didn't like what he was seeing and hearing, who left the Tavistock, stating it wasn't the business of the doctors and nurses to push the ideas of gender identity on kids

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    Although the multi-faceted gender identity question is too complex for me to have formed many thoughts or opinions, I heartily agree that Gen-Z is more open, more tolerant, across the board: religion, gender, race, politics, et cetera.

    To me, that is reassuring and positive.

    I don't think they're more tolerant on religion. If you're thinking about Islam, it depends who you speak to about that, because its mixed

    Edited once, last by SpaceNut: Merged a post created by SpaceNut into this post. (March 30, 2023 at 3:07 PM).

    It's Frankensteinesque in my opinion and I had to look up puberty blockers, bearing in mind that...

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    According to the National Institutes of Health, puberty usually begins in girls between 8 and 13 years of age, and in boys between 9 and 14 years of age. Puberty is considered to be early in boys before age 8 and girls before 9 years old. This is sometimes called “precocious puberty.”

    Jeez!

    Are medical professionals really giving these drugs to kids as young as 10, 11, 12?

    What are puberty blockers?
    What are puberty blockers
    www.plannedparenthood.org
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    It's Frankensteinesque in my opinion and I had to look up puberty blockers, bearing in mind that...

    Jeez!

    Are medical professionals really giving these drugs to kids as young as 10, 11, 12?

    https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/teens/pu…uberty-blockers

    And those puberty blockers aren't cheap

    Google result:

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    approximately $1,200 per month for injections and can range from $4,500 to $18,000 for an implant.

    Makes you wonder who's pushing this rubbish

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    I don't think they're more tolerant on religion. If you're thinking about Islam, it depends who you speak to about that, because its mixed

    I’m thinking more along the lines of antisemitism being more of an older, hopefully dying out, generation. Except for skinheads and young survivalists and whites supremacists, do we hear any nutjob antisemites under 30?

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    It another case of Big Pharma trying to control the world.

    A lot of people are saying that, because of the amount of profit they’re getting, like in the billions of dollars

    I googled the for what it costs in the uk, and it’s only £60 to £100. Which means that the government must be footing the bill, which is extravagantly high

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    I’m thinking more along the lines of antisemitism being more of an older, hopefully dying out, generation. Except for skinheads and young survivalists and whites supremacists, do we hear any nutjob antisemites under 30?

    I get what you mean

    Then we have these people who hit and abuse women for speaking

    This is similar tactics used by Nazi Brownshirts

    The Brownshirts: The Role of the Sturmabteilung (SA) in Nazi Germany
    The SA was instrumental in the Nazi’s rise to power yet played a diminished role during the Second World War. The Brownshirts are infamous for...
    www.historyhit.com

    Now, I'm all for progression, but this doesn't look progressive to me, it looks regressive

    Good point Splinter. Gen Z has a nihilism problem. Not just in your country. Fascism is a real problem. Just type in the etymology for the word and learn what the black shirts were up to. Frisson, I shudder.

    Non binary gender neutral, hmmm sounds very computer code AI'ish. The hive mind has other ideas in regards to humanities purpose. One thing AI will never possess? Soul. Soul brothers and sisters. Soul.

    Talk about life imitating art

    I wasn't old enough to view this at the cinema. This must have been a right hoot at the time. Who would have thought this would be a thing these days?