Who Is To Blame For The Violence?

Splinter · Dec 19th 2017

It appears that the police, in an effort to contain both protesters and thugs, managed to upset everyone, including the legit protesters.

This country has a long tradition of hot blooded and colourful marching protests and that is never going to change. Heck, I've even been on a few myself, but yesterday was different. With the ultra Kirchnerites now in opposition and La Campora weakened by the very fact of their opposition status, one suspects that what power base they still have left, may be responsible for the 'hired hands' we all saw tearing up the streets yesterday.

I believe the violence was premeditated and I'm not just saying that because Macri said it. It had all the hallmarks of organised football violence and it wouldn't surprise me to find that many of those detained were indeed known for throwing themselves around on the terraces of Boca or River.

Here's the BA Times take on this.

serafina · Dec 19th 2017

My husband saw a piece of an interview to violent protesters - they were asked why the demonstration was for, but they were not able to reply.

I don't know where he did saw that, but it is not hard to believe!

Semigoodlooking · Dec 19th 2017

It is not hard to believe at all. I doubt many who were involved in the carnage would actually know what reform means let alone be against it.

I feel any legitimate protestors there (actually there, not other parts of the city) are tarnished by association. I have less sympathy for their point of view because of the actions of the violent. I am not saying those genuinely agreived condone what we saw yesterday (naturally some would and some wouldn't) but at the end of the day they were on the same side as the violent offenders.

Who's to blame? It has to be that hand that threw a Molotov, the hand that threw a stone. I think we have all seen policing that has made us uncomfortable and sets off alarm bells, yesterday was not it for me. Interestingly, it all has nothing to do with the actual law, most the debate today is not about that but about the protests.

Splinter · Dec 19th 2017

Which is exactly what the violent faction were after - police repression, the card they always wanted to play.

Splinter · Dec 19th 2017

Fucking animals!

cafeamericano · Dec 20th 2017

Just saw this image of Bazan on Infobae.

https://www.infobae.com/socied…intencion-era-destruirme/

Splinter · Dec 20th 2017

Not the first time that TN crew have been attacked by K supporters. Bloody animals!

Rice · Dec 20th 2017

Quote from cafeamericano

Just saw this image of Bazan on Infobae.

https://www.infobae.com/socied…intencion-era-destruirme/

yikes! Hazardous duty, indeed. Is he OK?

GlasgowJohn · Dec 20th 2017

Quote from Rice

yikes! Hazardous duty, indeed. Is he OK?

he was talking on TN last night from his hospital room.

Seemed shaken but still very sensible and surprisingly in control of his words and feelings.

I thought he had been flour bombed . But they actually threw hot ashes at him.....

ben · Dec 20th 2017

Animals and thugs.

I cannot believe that the government is not stopping everything and flogging the images of Monday for all it's worth. Using it for a complete paradigm shift.

The number of people injured. The number of police injured. The number of others injured. The protesters injured.

The damage to private property. The damage to public property. The looted businesses. The torched cars. All in the name of "the people".

At least as much as the left would be doing had they gotten their case of police brutality.

The news cycle has moved on. That is not normal.

Semigoodlooking · Dec 20th 2017

Quote from ben

Animals and thugs.

I cannot believe that the government is not stopping everything and flogging the images of Monday for all it's worth. Using it for a complete paradigm shift.

The number of people injured. The number of police injured. The number of others injured. The protesters injured.

The damage to private property. The damage to public property. The looted businesses. The torched cars. All in the name of "the people".

At least as much as the left would be doing had they gotten their case of police brutality.

The news cycle has moved on. That is not normal.

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It is not just the news cycle that's the problem, we are used to that happening everywhere. It is a very Argentine thing that they tumble from one crisis to the next without learning any lessons, making any changes, or attempting to find out what happened and what could be different. It has happened repeatedly since I have been here, a crisis one day, back to normal the next.

It all leads back to the Argentina loves drama thread. It just seems the drama gets old quickly and the next crisis needs to be found.

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