Corona Virus in Argentina

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  • There is something comforting about the distant sound of voices, so I think some sidewalk restaurants would improve your feelings of isolation, serafina.


    As Spring approaches and Don’t-Call-It-Quarantine (maybe?) fades , perhaps there will be more people outside besides just purse snatchers and motochorros?

  • As Spring approaches and Don’t-Call-It-Quarantine (maybe?) fades , perhaps there will be more people outside besides just purse snatchers and motochorros?

    If the Government here is an example I reckon the nunber of thieves and crimes is bound to increase. :rolleyes:


    This country is a f'ing joke!!! If I were you Rice I'd stay where you are as you'd have to be mad to return.

  • Hey! Look at things HERE?

    The Gods Must Be Crazy.


    We are missing the HAYULL out of Argentina. With all its flaws, the people have soul.


    Interestingly, while we are kept from getting back into Argentina, EJLarson has been trapped in BsAS since March. Just doesn’t have the heart to post, though we are in touch with him weekly.

  • I'm cutting the whole article from the Telegraph because of their miserly paywall.




    Telegraph.co.uk


    Argentina offers irrefutable evidence that long lockdowns spell disaster

    31 AUGUST 2020 • 2:07PM


    buenos aires cafeRestaurants and bars remain closed in Buenos Aires as lockdown is extended CREDIT: RONALDO SCHEMIDT/GETTY IMAGES

    Hailed as a model at the beginning of the pandemic, the world’s longest lockdown has not saved Argentina from coronavirus misery as cases and daily deaths continue to skyrocket

    As Argentina enters yet another lockdown, it is teetering on the edge of the global top ten for coronavirus cases – and is one of only a handful of countries where the curve on almost all the statistical graphs is skyrocketing.

    On Friday 28 August, president Alberto Fernandez informed the nation that a further three weeks of lockdown were necessary to “stop the virus spreading in order to stop the deaths… The problem is not only in AMBA; the problem is in the whole country.”

    “AMBA” refers to Greater Buenos Aires, where more than a third of the 44.5 million Argentines live. It is here that a strict lockdown has been in force, with only occasional modifications, since March 20. For long periods people have been unable to leave the house except to shop for food or collect medicines. Even open-air recreation was banned for weeks.

    Despite this, many businesses remain closed. Restaurants and bars can only offer a takeaway service. No indoor meetings of groups are permitted.

    The rules have been in place for more than 164 days in parts of Buenos Aires. Nonetheless, even the president concedes, “We are a long way from resolving the problem in AMBA.”

    As spring arrives in Argentina, the tourism season usually restarts. Prior to the pandemic, direct flights from the UK (as well as Europe and many US hubs) ensured the capital enjoyed a steady flow of tourists.

    But Covid-19 and what is now the world’s longest lockdown has impacted every aspect of life in Buenos Aires.

    Its celebrated cultural scene has imploded. All state-owned museums and galleries are closed. Tango classes, milongas (ballroom nights) and shows are closed. The annual Tango World Championships, which ran from August 26-30, was a virtual-only event.

    tango wall art
    The annual Tango World Championships where hosted virtually CREDIT: RONALDO SCHEMIDT

    The city’s 700 or so theatres, concert venues and cultural centres, 200 small magazines and thousands of street and circus performers are all on hold.

    Buenos Aires is home to one of the world’s great café societies and is a major dining hub. Porteños – residents of Buenos Aires – do not queue to buy plastic cups of latte or boxed sandwiches. They sit down to relax and chat, meeting friends and family in their local cafés and cheap and cheerful parrillas (steakhouses). A Mediterranean lifestyle, inherited from Italian and Spanish ancestors, is the norm – but not in lockdown, with devastating effect.

    According to the Asociación de Hoteles Restaurantes, Confiterías y Cafeterías de la República Argentina (AHRCC), between 1,200 and 1,500 eating and drinking establishments have already permanently closed – and as many as 8,000 “are at the edge of an abyss”. Ten thousand people have already been laid off in the hospitality sector.

    Turnover has already plunged by 80-90 per cent. Delivery services, which take a cut of 20-35 per cent of the retail price of food and drink, do little to help proprietors balance the books.

    In fashionable Palermo, venerable establishments such as El Trapiche as well as upscale venues targeting younger drinkers and diners have shut their doors for good.

    closed cafe
    The shutters are firmly down on business in Argentina CREDIT: RONALDO SCHEMIDT/GETTY IMAGES

    At the end of May the Gran Café Tortoni, founded in 1858 and Argentina’s most celebrated café, said it was turning over AR$1,000 (£10) a day. Even La Biela, in wealthy Recoleta, is struggling to survive.

    Buenos Aires’ grandeur is already very much faded; it is now in danger of fading out as lockdown extends. Where other South American cities have ancient sites, historic palaces, beaches or other natural attractions, its chief heritage is its social and cultural life. If this is wiped out by Covid-19, there will be very little left to enjoy.

    Argentina has weathered more economic crises than most other countries. But the pandemic has hit harder than any recent slumps. In 2001, when the currency crashed, tourists filled the empty tables.

    The large informal economy has more or less collapsed. Mass unemployment could have dire consequences, not least of which is the fact that the private health insurance system which most people rely on is funded from salaries.

    Back in March Argentina was widely praised for his swift response to the crisis. “You can recover from a drop in the GDP,” president Alberto Fernández declared, after implementing an early lockdown. “But you can’t recover from death.”

    Matías de Cristóbal, director general of the Awasi luxury hotel group, laments the hubris. “For the first couple of months, the government enjoyed most people’s support. But poor communication skills and no notion of when cases might peak have eroded trust.

    “The government compared itself favourably with Chile, Brazil and Peru, and even Europe, often using flawed data. They made a grave error in predicting a peak in April, then May and then June. They have bet on allowing the economy to collapse with the story that there’ll be many fewer deaths because the government is ‘on top of’ things and looking after us.”

    Argentina has recorded 408,426 coronavirus cases to date. In the coming week, it will hop above Chile on the global ranking and there is every possibility it will soon pass Spain – one of the countries most affected by the pandemic.

    The government’s official tally of death stands at 8,457 – far lower than many countries – but currently doubling every three weeks.

    But, how accurate are these numbers when no more than ten thousand people are tested each day and in recent days more than 50 per cent of tests are coming back positive?

    covid testing
    Testing in underway in Buenos Aires' neighbourhoods CREDIT: AFP/RONALDO SCHEMIDT

    “The plaudits in April were premature,” says Peter Lloyd-Sherlock, a professor of social policy and Latin America expert at the University of East Anglia.

    “Everybody was making policy up on the hoof and the initial lockdown there as elsewhere was meant to be a big policy statement.”

    He points to the difference between public statements and life on the ground. “Anyone who has spent any time in Argentina knows how controlling the population’s movements is impossible. It’s anarchic at the best of times.”

    The winter season, a large population of elderly people, and limited experience of coping with infectious diseases – compared with Brazil, which has had major outbreaks of Zika, dengue and malaria – all contribute to the problem.

    “The average age of Covid deaths is well above 70 and there is certainly underreporting of deaths in this age group,” says professor Lloyd-Sherlock.

    In recent weeks the virus has spread rapidly in provinces such as Jujuy in the northwestern Andes and Mendoza, a world-famous wine region. Tierra del Fuego, the southernmost province, is also an area of concern. For UK tour firms, these are the destinations travellers head for after sampling the cafés and streaks of Buenos Aires.

    Tierra del Fuego
    Tierra del Fuego is popular with tourist but is an area of concern CREDIT: CHRISTIAN VORHOFER

    “Sadly the reality which Australia, New Zealand and now Argentina are seeing is that too severe a lockdown not only flattens the curve but also extends it,” says Edward Paine, managing director of regional specialist Last Frontiers.

    “I would love Argentina to follow Mexico, Costa Rica and Brazil's example and open international borders, albeit with sensible precautions such as requiring a PCR test on arrival. The total solar eclipse in early December is a perfect opportunity for the country to stimulate the restart in tourism, a process that is so desperately needed to avoid widespread unemployment and more permanent damage to such an important sector of the economy.”

    Approximately a tenth of the Argentine population works in the travel and tourism sector and it is estimated to generate as much as a tenth of national GDP. Most of the income is generated during the peak months between Christmas and March.

    Fernandez’s Covid-19 measures were put in place to enable the country and its health service to get through the cold months, but as spring approaches international borders remain closed with no prospect of regular flights any time soon – firms are now not expecting foreign tourists in Argentina until the summer of 2021-22. It looks likely that this year the "peak" season for tourism will be replaced by a peak in Covid-19 cases.

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    Today they will announce the news about the next non-quarantine phase. Yesterday Larreta negotiated further openings in the City for restaurants with patios and terrazas.

    Here in Palermo Soho, pub and restaurant owners were eager to put outdoor seatings for their guests, and it was really nice to see the broken sidewalks with seatings, sun shades, and tables. In tourist and expat places, the crowd is already there. In classic porteños places, not so much.


    I have to say that between sidewalk and indoor seating, I'd pick indoor for safety. But between outdoor and nothing, I guess outdoor is fine. One thing I liked of Italy was the outdoor seating in front of cafes and restaurants. Provided here squares/plazas are not thought to hang out sitting and admiring the surrounding, but rather sitting cramped on the sidewalk, I am hoping to see some walk-only areas in Palermo Soho this summer, with tables spread in the streets, instead. It would be really nice to have a place where to stroll safely in the evening. Of course, this seems out of a fantasy movie in Argentina, especially now that the City had its funds cuts from the Government.


    The Province of Buenos Aires should keep up with the same level of restrictions as before, though.


    La Nación is reporting rumors of a Health Passport for domestic travels. The current testing price ranges from 3,000 to 7,000 ARS depending on the kind of test. It would cost more than the air fare itself.


    De acuerdo con la propuesta, deberá constar de una certificación impresa o digital de un hisopado con resultado negativo de las últimas 48 horas. Además, debe acreditar con un certificado de salud emitido por un médico clínico que la persona que se traslada no tuvo síntomas vinculados con el Covid-19 en las últimas 24 horas.

    Por otro lado, el pasaporte sugerido incluye una declaración jurada firmada por el pasajero en la que acepta expresamente someterse a la realización de un test rápido al ingresar a las jurisdicciones que lo demanden. En caso de dar positivo, se dispone que será aislado en el destino. En cambio, si ambos tests son negativos, la persona quedará exenta de hacer cuarentena.

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    This next phase in Capital was also supposed to include indoor social gatherings (or having people round for coffee as we used to call it) up to 10 people. Is that still going to be the case?

    I haven't read anything about it, but Larreta has yet to speak today. For now, the next phase will go on until October 11.



    El Gobierno extenderá la cuarentena hasta el 11 de octubre y superará los 200 días de aislamiento

    El anuncio se hará hoy. No habrá conferencia de prensa sino un mensaje por redes sociales. El domingo se cumplen 6 meses de confinamiento

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    Dont buy the turkey for Xmas at the moment!


    These guys could extend until next year ........


    One of our close friends just got the virus , Was attended by a dentist last week who didnt wear a mask !

    I had to go to the dentist yesterday because I was in need of urgent care.

    When I arrived, I was the only client in the whole studio. The first thing I was told was to go to the bathroom and wash thoroughly my hands. Then I went back to the waiting room and waited to be called in. The dentist showed up wearing a hazmat suit, a PPE mask which was a hybrid between the Conicet mask and the N95, protective goggles, and gloves. The glass door and the window were half open (the ones facing the balcony).


    I felt bad for having to take off my mask, but there was no other way to fix my tooth. The doctor was very cautious, kept distance as much as possible, turned his face away when he didn't need to look in my mouth, etc.

    I felt very safe. As safe as it can gets given the circumstances.

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    Quote from LN

    Ayer fueron realizados 25.698 testeos y desde el inicio del brote se realizaron 1.707.947 pruebas diagnósticas, lo que equivale a 37.639,2 muestras por millón de habitantes, según informó el Ministerio de Salud. El número de casos descartados hasta ayer es de 921.466 (por laboratorio y por criterio clínico/epidemiológico).


    Aren't these faily incredible numbers?

    900k cases is 1 in 40 inhabitant was evaluated for covid. Considering one third of the population lives in the AMBA, it should be even a higher ratio here. Yet, we know of nobody who has been evaluated.


    And 25k tests in a day, in Argentina.... and they'd keep publish the same incredible number even on Sundays, when the whole country stops.... :/

  • I'm tempted to ride down to Chivilcoy next weekend and try my luck with the authorities.

    :301:

    They stop all cars and lorries but allow motorbikes to go through the checkpoint without stopping them. That tells you how f'ing stupid it is!! Then they wonder why the number of positive cases here are on the rise!!! :rolleyes: All a bit of a pantomime.