I don’t disagree, and suspect that WHO will be shown to have lied and covered up too. I just started with two about whom the evidence is definitely in.
BTW, who constantly rants about the number 3?
Meanwhile, in the Ministry of Conspiracy Theories
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There seems to be ample proof that the Chinese lied to cover up the problem, just as certain world leaders lied about the virus to keep their people from realizing the scope of the problem. But why would even these lying liars OVERREPORT the number of cases/deaths?
So who do u refer to here, if it's not Trump????
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Here's a post I found on Facebook. if only it weren't a virus but simple bacteria...
QuoteDisplay MoreWell! Well! Well! People are Waking up! Italy went against the WHO, saying no autopies on Covid-19, (wonder why?) Italy Did 50 autopsies and here's something you all need to read, before the nonexpert experts from FB delete it!
Breaking Covid news! Italy has allegedly discovered covid is not a virus, but a bacterium. It clots the blood and reduces the oxygen saturation from dispersing throughout the body. They went against the World Health Organization's that no bodies be autopsied. When Italian Ministry of Health ordered many autopsies, they found the blood was clotted in all of the patients veins. They immediately started using aspirin 100mg and a coagulant medication. And have had immense success. 14,000 people were released from the hospital as healthy and covid free. Italy is demanding Bill Gates and the World health Organization be held accountable for crimes against humanity for misleading, misdirecting, and withholding life saving information from the world, which cost the lives of thousands. Ventilators and ICU units were not necessary. A mandated vaccine is not necessary. Covid19 is a bacterium, easily
treated with aspirin and coagulant. Spread the word! Make this global. Hopefully our president will learn about this and do something about it! Before we lose all of our constitutional freedoms.
Another article regarding it:
Carlie J Gardipee 2020
Coronavirus / Health
Discovery: Autopsies Prove that COVID-19 is a Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation (Pulmonary Thrombosis)
Posted by Chinonyerem Emmanuella
It is now clear that the whole world has been attacking the so-called Coronavirus Pandemic wrongly due to a serious pathophysiological diagnosis error.
According to valuable information from Italian pathologists, ventilators and intensive care units were never needed.
Autopsies performed by the Italian pathologists has shown that it is not pneumonia but it is Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation (Thrombosis) which ought to be fought with antibiotics, antivirals, anti-inflammatories and anticoagulants.
If this is true for all cases, that means the whole world is about to resolve this novel pandemic earlier than expected.
However, protocols are currently being changed in Italy who have been adversely affected by this pandemic.
The impressive case of a Mexican family in the United States who claimed they were cured with a home remedy was documented: three 500 mg aspirins dissolved in lemon juice boiled with honey, taken hot.
The next day they woke up as if nothing had happened to them! Well, the scientific information that follows proves they are right!
Also Read: Coronavirus: Safety Health Measures Beyond the Surgical Mask and Hand Sanitizers
“THE END OF COVID-19 IS NEAR”- GAIN AFRICA DIRECTOR DECLARES, BACKED W.H.O CHIEFS
This information was released by a medical researcher from Italy:
“Thanks to 50 autopsies performed on patients who died of COVID-19, Italian pathologists have discovered that IT IS NOT PNEUMONIA, strictly speaking, because the virus does not only kill pneumocytes of this type, but uses an inflammatory storm to create an endothelial vascular thrombosis.”
In disseminated intravascular coagulation, the lung is the most affected because it is the most inflamed, but there is also a heart attack, stroke and many other thromboembolic diseases.
In fact, the protocols left antiviral therapies useless and focused on anti-inflammatory and anti-clotting therapies. These therapies should be done immediately, even at home, in which the treatment of patients responds very well.
If the Chinese had denounced it, they would have invested in home therapy, not intensive care! So, the way to fight it is with antibiotics, anti-inflammatories and anticoagulants.
An Italian pathologist reports that the hospital in Bergamo did a total of 50 autopsies and one in Milan, 20, that is, the Italian series is the highest in the world, the Chinese did only 3, which seems to fully confirm the information.
In a nutshell, the disease is determined by a disseminated intravascular coagulation triggered by the virus; therefore, it is not pneumonia but pulmonary thrombosis, a major diagnostic error.
Some world leaders doubled the number of resuscitation places in the ICU, with unnecessary exorbitant costs.
According to the Italian pathologist, treatment in ICUs is useless if thromboembolism is not resolved first. “If we ventilate a lung where blood does not circulate, it is useless, in fact, nine (9) patients out of ten (10) will die because the problem is cardiovascular, not respiratory.”
“It is venous microthrombosis, not pneumonia, that determines mortality.”
According to the literature, inflammation induces thrombosis through a complex but well-known pathophysiological mechanism.
Unfortunately, what the scientific literature said, especially Chinese, until mid-March was that anti-inflammatory drugs should not be used.
Now, the therapy being used in Italy is with anti-inflammatories and antibiotics, as in influenza, and the number of hospitalized patients has been reduced.
He also discovered that many deaths, even in their 40s, had a history of fever for 10 to 15 days, which were not treated properly.
The inflammation does a great deal of tissue damage and creates ground for thrombus formation. However, the main problem is not the virus, but the immune hyperreaction that destroys the cell where the virus is installed.
In fact, patients with rheumatoid arthritis have never needed to be admitted to the ICU because they are on corticosteroid therapy, which is a great anti-inflammatory.
With this important discovery, it is possible to return to normal life and open closed deals due to the quarantine, though not immediately, but with time.
Kindly share so that the health authorities of each country can make their respective analysis of this information, prevent further deaths and redirect investments appropriately; the vaccine may come later..... Confirmation of last week's post where I was consistently told I was spreading false info. Thanks Marsha Reed
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Here's a post I found on Facebook. if only it weren't a virus but simple bacteria...
How much truth do you put into this?
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It's bad informashion.
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Wow. I am not sure which has more bad information, the facebook post or politifact.
There are many true and false statements mixed up here.
My understanding:
1. The wuhan virus is definitely a virus. It has been sequenced, observed microscopically, and is detectable through rt-pcr and the different antibody tests. This is as close to indisputable as you can get.
2. Antibiotics do not work against viruses but do against opportunistic infections and may be anti-inflamatory. Other mechanisms may also be present which is why many protocols include antibiotics.
3. There is a lot of evidence piling up that it is a blood clotting disease and not simply a SARS/pneumonia disease. They are symptoms and results of the pathology. The lungs are most affected but other organs are as well including the kidneys, heart, digestive, nervous system, etc. Importantly, it also affects the endothelial (blood vessel lining) tissue.
4. Because of the clotting happening in the lungs, ventilators are in many cases doing more harm than good.
5. The immune response (cytokine storm) causes a lot of the damage as well.
6. Lung damage can be serious and permanent even in 'mild' cases.
If you want to hear some real medical people discuss this, I recommend starting with:
Dr. Mike Hansen discussing clotting:
Dr Seheult on the mechanisms of the clotting:
Both of these are parts of series which look at the latest research and present it in a digestible format. It can get deep into the technical aspects but it should be sufficient to show it is not a fringe idea about blood clotting.
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And since we are debunking stuff on the internet. Don't believe the authorities and vested interests, that this virus could not have been lab-created in china. Unfortunately, the evidence is starting to pile up on the lab-created side.
There are plenty of crazy ideas out there but there are also many vested interests. Valid information is often dismissed as untrue, conspiracy theories or what-not. The truth is, there are many things that are not known, but there are also blatant falsehoods being promulgated by authorities. Just this week, one of the most respected scientific journals, The Lancet, lost a lot of credibility with a published (peer reviewed) article on Hydroxychloroquine which has since been withdrawn. The data appears to have been simply made up. Unfortunately it had major impacts in public health policy before it was withdrawn. See Lancetgate...
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This is the game I'm playing at the moment, The Division. from 2016.
The first couple of minutes of this radio host should light up those conspiracy theories. Love the New York accent or is The Bronx?
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All the information is out there regarding the likelyhood of this coming out of the wuhan bio 4 lab which was studying this exact virus .
This research was banned in the USA in 2014 and via the WHO it was sub contracted for want of a better description to Wuhan with USA funding which is a matter of record.
Leading experts have said it would take 800 years for this virus to naturally go from bat to human to human transmission in the way it did.
If anyone believes that this was due to someone eating a bat at wet market where no bats are even sold...bearing in mind the chinese originally said it was from another obscure mammal then they need there head examined.
If people take the time to research and ignore main stream media bullshit they will see the amount of scientist and leading experts speaking out about this virus and being silenced by both facebook and youtube...That in itself should tell you all you need to know....
Scientists....100s of them at times questioning the WHO and there information and governments over reporting of virus potential being silenced.....shocking,,,but not as shocking as not looking at the data thats out there,,,Dont believe me.....go look for yourself...
The media is the disease
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hairyscotsman .....the most obvious sign of that the Chinese was more into this and knew much more, was the extreme rush to build emergency hospitals for thousands.....only someone knowing what was in front of them would react that radical.
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here we go again.....
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basically Hitler and Trump are behind the chinese flu......I should have known.
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basically Hitler and Trump are behind the chinese flu......I should have known.
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GlasgowJohn I'm referring to the comment from rice......
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GlasgowJohn I'm referring to the comment from rice......
Still dont get it ....did she mention Hitler or Trump in this post?
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We will learn more and more about this in the future, especially with the help of good investigative reporting. I would caution against blaming the media, as a notorious 1930’s-40’s leader successfully did and a 2020 leader has famously imitated.
Without the press and the media, we would be left with no one to protect against government propaganda being peddled as truth. Caveat Emptor.GlasgowJohn sorry, my mistake, maybe it was a referral to Churchill and Trudeau......
Again: if no media or search engines or whatever produce any media to believe, where do other people, including yourself get information from????
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It's an interesting question @JAN . I do see this pushed around a lot "ignore the MSM" or something to that effect.
But that's not the idea. Don't ignore it, but read enough of it from a broad enough pool to understand what's being sold. It's not about trusting the media but gathering information to make your own conclusions. At the very least, even the shoddiest MSM post could lead you on a Google trail to find more reliable information. And I am not following the argument about Google that seems to be happening, but it's a search engine, it can be a valuable resource or a waste of your time in equal measure. It's your choice.
It's true almost all MSM outlets are pushing an agenda, but it's naive for people to think whatever YouTube video they just watched to get their info is also not doing the same. One of my rules for life is to not become a blind follower of anything. Some people only visit media that sides with their views, which is just stroking the ego. If I watch an hour of CNN I will also watch and hour of Fox News, for example.
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